Organic Gardening with Teri!
Tuesday May 17, 2011 at 10am CST(11am EST)(8am PST)
| Online Class Transcript May 17, 2011 - Organic Gardening with Terri! |
| RockL: morning all! |
| HoneyQueen: Good morning! |
| RockL: morning Peppie |
| HoneyQueen: Glad to see you Peppie |
| RockL: morning Teri! |
| HoneyQueen: There is the lady of the hour! |
| TeriH: morning! |
| RockL: here and ready to learn! |
| TeriH: hi hq |
| HoneyQueen: hello! |
| TeriH: thx for posting everything hq! |
| TeriH: thx for announcing the class rockl |
| TeriH: Good morning everyone and welcome to our Organic Gardening class! I'm |
| happy to see all of you here! |
| TeriH: growing our own food is very important so we can control what is in it and |
| on it and not have harmful chemicals introduced in our bodies. |
| TeriH: So everyone needs to pick out a space that gets 6 hrs of sun and close to |
| the house and has water |
| TeriH: then you need to decide if you need a fence or barrier from critters |
| TeriH: once you have your site--then you need to make a plan |
| TeriH: and it takes work and study and experimentation! and will give you joy |
| RockL: :) |
| eriH: go to your extension office website and get a list of vegetables that grow |
| well in your area--look at varieties |
| TeriH: make a list of plants you want to grow |
| TeriH: look for disease resistance etc |
| TeriH: make a rough draft of your garden plan |
| RockL: Teri how do you know if they are |
| RockL: welcom Laurie |
| Laurie: Good morning |
| TeriH: well you can study seed catalogs |
| TeriH: and from your own trials |
| TeriH: Hi Laurie welcome and leslili |
| RockL: are hybrids best? |
| TeriH: use plant succession--so you always have new plants coming in |
| TeriH: I use some hybrids and mostly heirlooms and open pollinated |
| TeriH: I use a few tomato hybrids because of blight--or cherry tomatoes |
| RockL: can you tell us the difference between those 3? |
| TeriH: heirlooms are old seeds-that will reprodiuce on their own |
| HoneyQueen: and have not been genetically modified. |
| TeriH: hybrids are hand pollinated from 2 different plants and may not reproduce |
| same in next generation |
| Laurie: Do they all come up though - so you have to plant extra? |
| RockL: ty! |
| TeriH: open pollinated means they pollinate naturally by wind or insects |
| RockL: welcome Jackson |
| TeriH: genetically modified are mostly in farm crops like soy beans and corn etc |
| Jackson: TY, Rock! Sorry to be a few late! |
| TeriH: I love heirlooms and OP seeds! |
| TeriH: tseed saving is coming in another class |
| HoneyQueen: aren't some of the new hybrids for veggies gmo |
| Jackson: OP? Teri? |
| TeriH: yes Jackson? |
| Jackson: what's op? |
| TeriH: open poliinated |
| Jackson: oh, lol, okay, thx |
| TeriH: no problem J |
| TeriH: keep a record of your garden good things and not so good study it and |
| learn from it |
| Jackson: proud of myself, been doing that! |
| TeriH: good job J-test your soil for pH level-measure the acidity |
| Laurie: I purchased some organic seeds and did not have very good luck with |
| them. Lowe's - Martha Stuart - lol - maybe that's why. |
| TeriH: good to try different things! |
| TeriH: you want 6.5 pH for most plants |
| TeriH: get a ph soil test kit |
| Jackson: we have slightly acidic, don't know how/where to test soil for precision |
| RockL: welcome City |
| TeriH: 7 is too acidic-- addd lime to hole when transplanting |
| CityLimits: one of the problems with polination is that your non hybred some times |
| cross poliiinates with hybrates |
| TeriH: abovr 7 is alkaline add compost or wood ash |
| RockL: wood ash? |
| TeriH: jackson get a pH soil test kit |
| TeriH: wood ash from your fireplace |
| Jackson: where do I get one? |
| HoneyQueen: How far should you test? I mean if you have several beds, test |
| jsut one spot in every bed, or several spots and take an average? |
| RockL: or take to your extension office |
| CityLimits: if it rains alot in your area it maybe too acid as well |
| TeriH: check each bed they will vary pH |
| TeriH: test kits can be purchased at home depot or lowes or garden center |
| RockL: Teri if you do sq ft gardening do you have do that as well? |
| TeriH: home improvement stores |
| TeriH: you don't have to test--you can just add compost and leaves |
| RockL: great! thanks |
| TeriH: shredded leaves are the best compost |
| TeriH: soil types if you have clay add new soil on top and plant in it |
| TeriH: soil amendmentswhat do you all use? |
| Jackson: Have amended here with cow manure and Garden Tone. |
| HoneyQueen: added leaf compost this year to mucky soil and horse manure from |
| last year |
| TeriH: good J and HQ excellent things to use |
| Laurie: Just compost and chicken manure. We added some soil - miracle grow - |
| what a mistake. |
| RockL: chicken poo |
| TeriH: yes L MG is ******* gardens |
| RockL: raw veggies and fruit, grass |
| TeriH: chicken poo is good when composted |
| Jackson: thought so |
| TeriH: kitchen scraps are great! Rockl |
| TeriH: so you can add more organic stuff if you want--like bone meal, |
| Laurie: We use kitchen scaps in our compost |
| TeriH: rock phosphate stays in the soil for years and is very good for plants |
| ackson: Should kitchen scraps be composted first or just dumped on before |
| composting |
| RockL: i put peat moss under my chickens and then scoop it all up once a month |
| and add to my compost! good stuff! lol |
| TeriH: rock phosphate-it breaks down over years and so is a good investment |
| money wise |
| TeriH: kitchen scraps acan be buried in your growing bed to decompose |
| Jackson: okay @ scraps! |
| TeriH: good idea rockl |
| TeriH: azomite-rock screenings is a new one to me that I just heard about-you |
| may want to learn about it |
| RockL: Teri how often should we add some of our compost to our garden beds |
| JohnReese: Greetings |
| TeriH: soil reminerizlier mined from volcanic ash deposits |
| Laurie: Hi John |
| RockL: welcome John |
| TeriH: has potassium, calcium, magnesium, chlorine, sodium and other trace |
| minerals |
| RockL: wow! |
| TeriH: so once you have your bed ready--its time to plant |
| RockL: does that go straight into garden or compost? |
| TeriH: I can give some measurements after class for soem of these we were |
| taught about 2 weeks ago |
| Laurie: thanks - need to get a soil tester kit - what do they typically run |
| TeriH: under $10 I think |
| RockL: will it hurt to add the stuff even if the soil is good? |
| TeriH: no rockl it won't hurt these thigns are things plants need to thrive |
| TeriH: measurements will come after for you to look at |
| TeriH: bone meal has calcium phosphate |
| TeriH: which is key to flowering and fruiting |
| TeriH: so now we plant-direct seed or transplant you get to choose soem are |
| better either way |
| TeriH: I do both |
| TeriH: I have lots and lots of seeds we love seeds anfd never have enough |
| RockL: welcome guest |
| TeriH: we also do our own transplants under shop lights in the house |
| TeriH: plan you growing space--try not to shade plants |
| Laurie: We do both too - how long can seeds store - they are dated but were told |
| to store some. |
| TeriH: use variety and try to confuse the bad bugs |
| TeriH: seeds if frozen store indefinately |
| Jackson: freezing doesn't damge seeds? |
| TeriH: it depends on where you store them -refrigerators work well |
| TeriH: no it suspends seeds |
| RockL: welcome Robt |
| TeriH: Hi Robt! |
| TeriH: I keep soem in the freezer in a ziplock baggie |
| TeriH: I store them in groups |
| Jackson: groups? |
| TeriH: when you take them from the freezer let them come to room temp and |
| avoid moisture developing inside your container |
| TeriH: well varieities for groups |
| RockL: what is it about the freezer that helps them so much? |
| TeriH: you can also store them in a jar in the refrigerator to slow down |
| degradation |
| TeriH: so start most seeds for transplants 6 weeeks before last frost |
| TeriH: I keep them under shop lights when they develop first true leavesw |
| Laurie: We use grow lights but don't actually have frost where we live - we are |
| fighting the heat. |
| TeriH: so ready to plant outside--give them correct spacing--read and know how |
| far t pkant them-don't crowd too much as pests love this |
| TeriH: ]i use square ft gardenign spacing for mine |
| TeriH: weed early |
| Jackson: in sq ft gardening, you don't give regular garden spacing |
| TeriH: it will save yobleu a lot of trou |
| TeriH: trouble |
| TeriH: my typing is bad! |
| TeriH: sq ft has the number of seeds to plant in a square foot section |
| Jackson: We can read "typo," Teri! |
| TeriH: like 9 bean seeds and 1 lettuce |
| RockL: do you have a list for those Teri..spaceing with sq foot gardening |
| TeriH: thx J |
| TeriH: yes I do i can post the spacing for sq ft--it helps me a lot |
| RockL: thanks |
| TeriH: Ilearned from over planting |
| Jackson: Would be a useful tool if you did post it, Teri |
| Laurie: in sq ft gardens in pictures I've seen they all plant all the same veggies. I |
| mixed mine up will this be a problem. |
| TeriH: My favorite tool for weeds is a stirrup hoe |
| RockL: it is prettier that way lol |
| Laurie: yep...lol |
| TeriH: yes rockl I agree! |
| TeriH: I love mine and use it every day |
| TeriH: keep the weeds under control and watch for pests |
| TeriH: Walk and look at your plants every day to monitor bugs |
| Laurie: If you get pests what would you use wanting to stay away from chemicals |
| TeriH: watch for bad bugs and first hand pick |
| TeriH: encourage benefials to eat them! |
| TeriH: hand vacuum works great for squash bugs |
| Jackson: such as....? |
| TeriH: lady beetles |
| TeriH: parasitic wasps, toads, |
| RockL: is that ladybugs? |
| TeriH: birds--have water in the garden for each of these and dragonflys |
| TeriH: yes |
| TeriH: lacewings are good too |
| RockL: i bought 3000 and released them in my garden...lol |
| ackson: should have all those here, but we're in the middle of the woods....more |
| pests than beneficial ones can deal with, I'm afraid! |
| TeriH: wow rockl cool |
| Robt.: do stink bugs damage crops? |
| TeriH: then go to Neem, |
| Jackson: Yes, stink bugs do!! |
| Jackson: (tomatoes suffered here last year because of them!) |
| TeriH: yes stink bugs will bring viruses |
| TeriH: and cause wilting |
| TeriH: and deaqth! |
| Robt.: great, the gov't dropped a bunch of them on us. |
| TeriH: kill all stink bugs |
| TeriH: they are the enemy of the garden |
| Laurie: Robt why would they do that? |
| TeriH: use a hand vac and get the eggs under the leaves i battle them and |
| remove |
| TeriH: strange Robt |
| RockL: is there a bug that eats those? |
| Robt.: to get rid of the lady bugs they dropped on us first. |
| TeriH: another organic control is insecticidal soap see recipe in handouts |
| TeriH: sevin dust kills bees |
| Laurie: I'll have to check the handouts. |
| Laurie: I'll have to check the handouts. |
| Jackson: handouts? did I miss something? |
| RockL: wait you want to kill bees? |
| TeriH: handouts are posted under classes and events--sorry no table full of |
| handouts |
| TeriH: no don't kill bees |
| Jackson: oh, didn't know that! thanks! |
| TeriH: but if you use sevin dust know you are killing bees |
| TeriH: the bees carry the sevin dust back to the hive and it kills the babies |
| TeriH: sevin dust is the biggest killer of bees chemical wise |
| Jackson: (thanks for that, can now tell hubby we won't use sevin!!) |
| TeriH: if you use any sprays do it in the late afternoon when bees are not |
| foraging--no mornign spray |
| Jackson: good to know about eve spray |
| TeriH: no spraying when bees are out please they help you and pollinate for you |
| and increase production we have 3 hives on the hill |
| TeriH: use plant trap crops to attract pests and then destroy crop and bugs |
| RockL: how can we attrack bees Teri? |
| TeriH: bees are hard to keep alive--plant things they like |
| Laurie: flowers |
| TeriH: plant cover crops like clover buckwheat and flowers |
| Jackson: oh, sorry, thought you asked how we could TRAIN attack bees, Rock! |
| TeriH: encourage your beneficials |
| Laurie: lol |
| TeriH: funny J |
| Jackson: how do we find beneficials? |
| TeriH: kill the bad bugs encourage the good ones |
| TeriH: beenficials are pollinators like bees and killer insects that eat the pests |
| Jackson: I mean what are examples of beneficials? Any flowers at all?\ |
| TeriH: use marigolds |
| TeriH: yarrow cat mint |
| TeriH: ahite cosmos |
| TeriH: bee balm yes! |
| TeriH: disease management-- |
| Laurie: what's bee balm |
| Jackson: a flowering plant, Lauri |
| TeriH: choose your variety with this in mind |
| TeriH: don't overcrowd your plant |
| TeriH: air needs to circulate |
| TeriH: around stems and leaves otherwise you have issues |
| TeriH: use baking soda and water for fungal issues 1 oz baking soda to a gaqllon |
| of water |
| TeriH: spray leaves and soil |
| TeriH: it will increase acidity a little |
| TeriH: another is to use white vinegar--1 oz to one gallon of water |
| TeriH: same application method |
| Jackson: thought soda was alkaline? |
| eriH: watch your plants early and pull out diseased plants to keep from |
| spreading |
| RockL: and you need to do this in the afternoon not the morn? |
| HoneyQueen: straight vinegar worls great to kill thistles, btw |
| TeriH: soJ you're right I had them reversed sorry thx |
| TeriH: yes rockl |
| TeriH: yes HQ! |
| Jackson: (just a sanity check for me!) |
| TeriH: soda is alkaline and vinegaqr is acidic--my mixup |
| TeriH: keep us straight J |
| TeriH: we have blight real bad here is the east! lost lots of tomatoes to it |
| TeriH: Lost most of the crop last year the whole east coast got it |
| Robt.: Yes, we did lose a lot last year! |
| TeriH: so Iplant cherry tomatoes are they are mroe resistant-- |
| TeriH: Robt it is discouraging |
| TeriH: if your plants are healthy they can fight it in many cases |
| TeriH: I use cherry now until thing sget better fro blight |
| TeriH: monitor disease early and find soultions |
| RockL: ok Teri stupid question but what is "blight" |
| HoneyQueen: tmoato worms, ant deterents? |
| Jackson: I've been told that corn meal sprinkled around will help with tomato |
| blight |
| TeriH: blight-causes the toms to wilt and die |
| Jackson: good to have confirmation |
| TeriH: tomato worms-catch early and hand pick before they eat everythign in |
| sight |
| HoneyQueen: that should have been "any deterents" for tomato worms. |
| HoneyQueen: sorry sleeping little one on my lap |
| TeriH: tomato worms--I pull and feed to chickens |
| TeriH: we like little ones |
| Robt.: I don't know of many people that have ever seen a tomato worm. |
| TeriH: tomato worms--eye monitor--they are camoflauges--parasitic wasps lay |
| eggs on them so encourage the benficials |
| Jackson: not sure that I have, are they green? |
| Jackson: really BIG worms? |
| Robt.: yes. |
| TeriH: yes green worm sometimes with a horn on back top |
| TeriH: they get bigger as they devour the leaves |
| Robt.: really cool looking creatures. big and fat too. |
| eriH: especially love tomatoes-cam devour a crop in a day or two if you pon't |
| watch |
| Jackson: WOW! Bad, bad worms! |
| TeriH: they are powerful eaters |
| Jackson: Fortunately, we have the parasitic wasps! |
| Robt.: they make nice pets. |
| Laurie: Got to run - thanks - have a great day! |
| TeriH: yes parasitic are the best! |
| TeriH: ]in the class notes file also disease database link and a video how to test |
| your soil by the garden girl |
| RockL: wow! great docs Teri! |
| TeriH: any questions? |
| TeriH: plant lots for you and to share |
| Robt.: nope, you've done an excellent job. |
| TeriH: put up your food by drying and cannign and freezing |
| TeriH: save your seeds |
| TeriH: thx everyone I lvoe to garden and it brings me joy |
| Jackson: btw, can I use goat manure directly on garden or should I compost! |
| TeriH: we shared 1500 packs of seeds with our freidns this year |
| TeriH: goat manure compost first |
| RockL: for how long Teri? |
| TeriH: 6 months I'd say--they eat everything including grass seeds so always get |
| compost temp up |
| RockL: where can we get azomite rock? |
| RockL: that stuff sounds amazing! |
| TeriH: check azomite.com |
| RockL: ty! |
| eriH: yes it is amazing stuff-we have a rock shop in Durham and they call it rock |
| screenings |
| Jackson: wonderful job, Teri! Thanks so much for your expertise!! |
| RockL: Great class... I learned SO much! |
| TeriH: thx for your help everyone and you too J-you kept me straight! |
| TeriH: thx rockl-I studied a bit myself |
| RockL: the best way to learn! lol |
| Jackson: lol! np! just call me a garden ninja! Ha! |
| Robt.: thank you teriH. |
| TeriH: you guys are great! check out the handouts and learn more the more food |
| ytou growe the better for your family |
| RockL: plant an extra row for the food bank! |
| RockL: thanks all for coming hope you learned as much as I did! |
| RockL: Teri you are the best! |
| HoneyQueen: Yes! |
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Water Collection, Purification and Storage
Tuesday May 10, 2011 at 10am CST(11am EST)(9am PST)
Transcript
May 10,2011
HoneyQueen: Thank you for joining us this morning!
HoneyQueen: I think this is the most important topic for our preparedness!
HoneyQueen: And admittingly is my weakest part of my preparedness.
HoneyQueen: How many of you have water stored?
TeriH: I have some
RockL: I do
HoneyQueen: Good.
StaceinTexas: I have some ... not near enough though. Working on it.
HoneyQueen: Well guidelines vary on how much is ideal to have. Some
recommend a gal per person per day, others recommend 2 gallons.
TeriH: for how many days? 7
bestof: some but not much
HoneyQueen: I prefer to error on the side of caution, so I am planning on getting
2 gal/person/day for a minimum of 3 months.
HoneyQueen: that is per day, sorry teri
HoneyQueen: But each family is going to have to determine what is best for them
and their ci***stances.
HoneyQueen: We also need to take into account water for pets
bestof: I have a water Bob, but I would need advance notice to fill it.
laurie: Is that the one that goes in the tub?
bestof: Yes
HoneyQueen: that is a great point. Water in your BUG OUT BAGS as well.
Laurie: I've looked at those and thought it would be a good idea.
bestof: Only it you have time to fill it.
HoneyQueen: Honestly that is my current plan, is filling the 55 gallon drums once
we know we will need it.
HoneyQueen: very true. it is a gamble.
HoneyQueen: It is also important to have back-up plans for your back up plans
for your plans
Laurie: We went to a animal fair and the vets had a dehydration tablet...wonder
if there is anything like this for people?
HoneyQueen: How are you storing water now?
RockL: i look at my water storage just like I do a gun.. if I don't have it ready to
go it is just a stick
HoneyQueen: that is a great question Laurie!
bestof: We have a rain collection system to water our yard. We could filter it via
the Berkey
HoneyQueen: good point Rock!
bestof: Good point RL
HoneyQueen: best of - what kind of roof do you have?
bestof: shingles
HoneyQueen: I would be very very cautious of using that water for drinking or
watering food plants.
TeriH: I have a couple of barrels and 5 gal containers and soda bottles--not
enough though--we want a rain collection system too
HoneyQueen: Shingles contain chemicals and toxic elements that can be in the
water.
TeriH: I have a couple of barrels and 5 gal containers and soda bottles--not
enough though--we want a rain collection system too
HoneyQueen: Shingles contain chemicals and toxic elements that can be in the
water.
bestof: Great point HQ. I will talk it over with my hubby
HoneyQueen: We don't drink pop very often, but when we do i fill the two liter
bottles.
Laurie: What kind of roofs are safe when using a run off systems we do the same
but ours is a rolled roof but we use it to water grass and plants
John Reese: You will see a oily film floating on top of the water in a rain barrel
HoneyQueen: The Berkey is suppose to be a great filter, but I would research
that more.
HoneyQueen: metal roofs are best.
TeriH: There are plans to make a Berkey type filter out of buckets online
bestof: Thanks for all the great input
Laurie: got one on the back shop will have to move the barrels - thanks.
HoneyQueen: A tarp could be placed over your roof to cover your shingles and
also make safer
HoneyQueen: we have metal roofs on the sheds, but it across the road. Not
convientent but an option.
Laurie: Do you rotate your water that you store in the house like your food.
bestof: The Home Owners Assoc would not go for that, but in the event of SHTF
Great suggestion
John Reese: Also, not sure if you are aware of it, but %90 of all garden hoses
are not for drinking water.
HoneyQueen: Once you have water and want to store it make sure you are
storing it in food grade buckets and barrels.
estof: We do not rotate and drink, but we rotate and water plants.
HoneyQueen: yes very good laurie.
bestof: We have bought marine drinking hoses
Laurie: I guess you could use juice containers for the water - and a marine hose I
would think would be ok
HoneyQueen: Make sure that you are also not storing in milk jugs
HoneyQueen: they deterioate quickly
Laurie: I tried that once and they get leaks in them and make a big mess
HoneyQueen: walmart has special drinking hoses also
HoneyQueen: It MUST be non-scented bleach!
bestof: Does any one know if Distilled water stores longer than what is marked on
the bottle? I keep alot for Col. Silver making.
John Reese: usplastics.com/ has many options for water stoarge
HoneyQueen: add 1/8 teaspoon for every gallon of water
Laurie: I was looking at my bug out bag and alot of the food requires water - so
maybe it would be good to rethink some items - water is heavy.
HoneyQueen: you are right Laurie water is heavy if you need to transport it.
Make sure you keep water in to drink.
HoneyQueen: you can survive many days without food, but not nearly as long as
without water.
HoneyQueen: Even in very extreme cold, water is vital.
aurie: Definately. I have just recently been seeing posts on col. silver what is it?
HoneyQueen: If you live in hot climates, I would increase above the 2
gal/person/day.
HoneyQueen: We will get to that in just a sec. I don't want to forget anything.
HoneyQueen: We have talked about storing water and treating the stored water.
John Reese: In extreme cold, make sure you carry heavy duty zip lock bags. you
can make drinking water a cup at a time with your body heat.
HoneyQueen: Make sure that you are farmilar with all your local water resrouces.
RockL: we buy empty soda containers the big ones for companies and clean them
out and store water
HoneyQueen: great idea John!
HoneyQueen: that is a good source as well.
Bestof: Does water need to be off the floor? Will critters eat into them?
John Reese: It's the Army way Honey
HoneyQueen: Is everyone farmilar with their local water sources, from wells, to
streams to ditches, to a nieghbors pond.
Laurie: Yes but not too much here in AZ
HoneyQueen: it should be stored off concrete, I read, but they never provided
an explaination.
RockL: yes it does
HoneyQueen: I doubt that animals would chew into it
TeriH: local water sources-not yet but I have been looking at google satellite to
see what is nearby lik emy neighbor's lake
John Reese: in 55 gal, 20 gal and 5 gal water barrel's food grade can be stored
on concret
HoneyQueen: it is important ot know where you options are for if and when your
stored water is deleted.
Laurie: Our lakes here are filled with affluent water so it's not drinkable.
HoneyQueen: do you have any flowing water near you? that is the best
resources of water, and the faster flowing the better.
Bestof: Should we buy maps of our area?
HoneyQueen: most defineatly.
HoneyQueen: especially if you are not farmilar with your local resources.
Laurie: I wish we would have to travel along way and it only flowing a few months
out of the year.
HoneyQueen: Do you have well water or city?
Laurie: Ours is a private company with a well.
HoneyQueen: I am sure some are available online, the best place would be your
county drain commissioner.
HoneyQueen: I would look into ways to get the water out of the well without
electricity.
HoneyQueen: Hand pumps can be added to an existing well.
John Reese: Oh, before I forget, to get around those counties that don't let you
collect rain water. Think: in ground pool
Laurie: They pump it to our hoses and we don't have access to the actual well.
aurie: That's crazy why would they not let you collect rain water.
HoneyQueen: Also they have these nifty things called torpedo buckets that can
be dropped down the well to collect it.
HoneyQueen: Also they have these nifty things called torpedo buckets that can
be dropped down the well to collect it.
HoneyQueen: Because the barrels look tacky and they lose the water revenue
Bestof: Can you use non flowing water like a retension pond?
HoneyQueen: Laurie, I would research your water depth tables and there is a link
on the doc for drilling your own well.
John Reese: As long as it's stated purpose is a pond
Laurie: Thanks - can do that
HoneyQueen: bestof- stagnant ponds are probably the least favorable source of
water, but if that is the only source that purifying, filtering and boiling will be
your bestest of friends for sure.
Bestof: great we have a few near us
HoneyQueen: Also in a shtf situation, collecting pure rain water will be vital.
Every spare bucket, pot, pan, bowl should be set out to collect it.
HoneyQueen: Other options are drilling your own well. this can be done after the
need arrises and buy hand
Laurie: Would love to get one of those huge rain water metal towers for rain
collection.
HoneyQueen: Other ideas are belowground still and solar stills.
TeriH: We drilled our water well to 300 feet and it is below the water table and
provides extra water storage
John Reese: Laurie, that might be nice for many reasons, but a hugh billboard if
your area has low or no water
StaceinTexas: wonder who one would call to find out if a permit to drill a well - in
city - is obtainable
Laurie: Yeah that is a better option for those who live in the west - the ground is
really hard and the water is way low.
TeriH: go to your county office we had to get a permit--just ask they will refer to
the right office
StaceinTexas: Great. Thanks.
TeriH: our well driller told us who to contact because they have to be inspected
and to tell you all the regs about how close to the house to drill and how far from
the spetic if you have one
TeriH: the county also came out and tested the well water to be sure it is safe to
drink
StaceinTexas: Yeah, I've heard of that out of the city. Not sure they'll let us
inside the city. Can't hurt to ask.
TeriH: we spent $5k to hook it up to the house ourselves that included the well
driller (3k) --we're in the country
RockL: just a quick tip for water (at least the cleaning part of water) is that I
store baby wipes. this will let me clean our bodies and items without using up my
water and doesn't take much space
TeriH: good idea RockL
bestof: When carring water in your car does it matter if it get hot over and over
in the trunk?
RockL: We lost HQ... so while we wait does anyone know about water filters.John Reese: Yes... I make my own.
StaceinTexas: urgh... I'm interesting in learning about John's make your own
filters
John Reese: Yes, have you ever seen a drain tile?
John Reese: the black stuff for around homes?
HoneyQueen: sure have John
John Reese: They have what looks like cheese cloth that slips over it
John Reese: you take a 8 10 or 12 inch pvc tub with end capsaurie:
Laurie: you can fit a britta filter in the pvc tube too and have a portable one.
John Reese: drill a hole or if you have a reducer that size will work to
bestof: will these directions get posted some where later?
HoneyQueen: Okay. once you have determined your water source you will need
to filter, purify and boil itJohn Reese: the inlet on one end is off set, on the other end the hole is in the
middle
HoneyQueen: yes!
John Reese: yes best
John Reese: you silp the cheese cloth over the drain tubing and pack it full of
charcoal filter replacement from the pet store for fish tanks
John Reese: and you slip it in the big tub, then pack sand in between the big and
small tub, cap ends
John Reese: that is a poor man prefilter
John Reese: the final filter would be a brita for drinking
John Reese: but no need to use a brita for bathing
John Reese: The point being, conserve resources
Laurie: Would you boil it too
HoneyQueen: Thanks John!
John Reese: This filter is for rain water
StaceinTexas: I like it! Can't wait to get written instructions. An addition for my
Honey Do List
bestof: lol
John Reese: ok, who is HQ?
Laurie: Thanks - John
HoneyQueen: Boiling water is a great way to "clean" water as it - its me, Kristin
TeriH: honeyqueen
HoneyQueen: oh, haha, lol
John Reese: ahhh, Kristin
HoneyQueen: can you tell I am being distracted by too little monkeys too
TeriH: that's why you store water right? 2 little monkeys
HoneyQueen: Boiling will not remove foreign contaiminants, heavy metals or
radiation
John Reese: I need to put up our version of a water wall
HoneyQueen: lol - that is right teri - all this is for two, soon to be 3 little monkeys
bestof: those are very cool but expensive
John Reese: water wall?
bestof: yes, but so are little monkeys
Laurie: We have looked into what would be best to purchase for if you had to use
a filter in a pond/stream/lake and decided we could make a poor mans filter and
purchased a steri pen. I'm still not sure if the technology is real.
ohn Reese: your thinking decor, I'm talking about storage
John Reese: They also have UV for removing pathogens, we use it hydroponics,
but requires power
Laurie: It must be just seems odd - has anyone ever used one. yep batteries are
a must.
HoneyQueen: boiling water should be done after filtering and purifying
Laurie: I think we would bail the water just to be on the safe side.
Laurie: oops boil
HoneyQueen: John covered filtering, as there are many different ways to build
your own filter.
HoneyQueen: yes, always boil, those are my thoughts
John Reese: TC ladies and Gents, I need to get going.
HoneyQueen: boil water for 20-30 minutes.
TeriH: bye John
HoneyQueen: thanks for joining us today John! appreciate the info!
HoneyQueen: there is some disputing that goes on about how long to boil water
for, 20-30 is the longest time I have seen and so that is why I used it.
HoneyQueen: Does anyone know the difference between filtering and purifying?
Laurie: My hubby is really into making filters - he's made about three different
kinds along with a hobo stoves to boil the water.
TeriH: purifying may use evaporation methods
Laurie: Purifying is taking the minerals and other stuff out...I think
HoneyQueen: that is awesome Laurie! I haven't gotten hubby that far yet
RockL: Laurie we need a class on that... would he be interested in teaching that?
Laurie: I'm grateful - he's gotten me into this
Laurie: I will check - he's not much of a typer or computer person - just utube...lol
HoneyQueen: The commerical filters like Katadyn and Berkey are held to the
standards to remove 99.9999% of pathorgenic bacteria and also 99.9999% of
viruses.
Laurie: Maybe we could do some pictures for reference
StaceinTexas: Just called City. They do not require a permit, but we can't hook
the well to the house... due to a chance of cross contamination.
HoneyQueen: Other water treatment options are the colloidal silver or silver in
general and also iodine.
Laurie: I've read that iodine is ******* our bodies - explain please more on the
silver
HoneyQueen: Colloidal sivler has many many positive uses, one of which being
able to treat water in the poorest conditions
HoneyQueen: I spent an entire day looking for the dosage recommendations for
the collidal silver and treating water
HoneyQueen: all the information says t hat it can be done, but doesn't specify an
amount to use.
TeriH: HQ the water paper says no iodine for women over 50 yo--any reason?
HoneyQueen: I believe it has to do with the effects on the thyroid.
HoneyQueen: As women get older their thyroid horomone is more likely to go
haywire.
TeriH: I take oral iodine every day to help my thyroid function better.
HoneyQueen: yes, teri iodine is helpful for those with hypothyroid, but can be
devasting to people with an over active.
Laurie: They say not to drink water if it's been in one of those cheap bottles and
it's gotten heated in the car.
HoneyQueen: Bestof- I do not know about the heat in the car. I will try to find an
answer for you. Off the top of my I would recommend using canned water
Laurie: We recently had someone who was elderly get stranded in the phoenix
area and he drank the radiator fluid and that kept him alive till they found him
HoneyQueen: I do not use plastic for anything unless absolutely neccessary,
specially when it is going to be heated.
HoneyQueen: Iodine is to be used to treat water when there is NO other option.
TeriH: that's because it is tincture of iodine and not made for internal use
HoneyQueen: Okay, that sums up what I have to talk about. Is t here any
questions?
TeriH: unless in an emergency
HoneyQueen: yes that is correct, but when all else fails
TeriH: can we get dehydrated water? lol
HoneyQueen: lol!
Laurie: Thanks - I can't think of anything but maybe I will later....
StaceinTexas: I've heard not to drink water in plastic that has heated up. Mayo
clinic put out a toxic alert on it
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May 3, 2011 Online Class - Food Storage Basics and Rotation Methods |
| MrsK: Good Morning! Looks to be a beautiful day! |
| HoneyQueen: Good morning! |
| leslilli: Hi!! here for the class |
| leslilli: HI!!!! |
| leslilli: thanks! i'll be in and out though, kids and all. |
| RockL: Are you new to this or have you been doing this for a while? |
| RockL: welcome gues 7642 |
| leslilli: new-ish. but there is always something to learn no matter how long you've |
| been at it. |
| RockL: we will give people a few mins to show up and then get started |
| HoneyQueen: agreed! |
| RockL: so true! |
| Nancy: Hi, it's Nancy - I don't know how to make my name show up |
| RockL: Hi Nancy! |
| RockL: go glad you are here |
| leslilli: how many have a well and pump (electrical)? are you without water during |
| poweroutages? (we are) but we cannot afford a hand pump, any suggestions? |
| leslilli: just a question for whenever..... |
| RockL: I have a well and pump hand pump wasn't bad... we went to the Amish |
| store |
| RockL: I am sure I just butched that spelling |
| RockL: it was about $45 |
| RockL: and then supplies but it is a wonderful thing to have |
| leslilli: how deep is the well....we were princing them online and they seemed very |
| expensive for a deep well pump. |
| RockL: we go 100 ft down |
| RockL: what we did is used pipe and extenders and that saved us a ton! |
| leslilli: hhhmmmmmm....i'll have to check out those amish then. what until then i |
| wonder? |
| RockL: it took about an hour to get it right and we have to add a little water to |
| the pump each time but it works |
| HoneyQueen: Les - i will send you a pm for a local huy that has food grade |
| barrels 55 gallons, cheap. |
| RockL: welcome best of |
| leslilli: i have 4 55-gallon barrels food grade waiting for hubby to install them as |
| rainbarrels |
| bestof: sorry i am late, hi everyone |
| RockL: welcome guest 84503 |
| RockL: not late at all.. |
| RockL: we are just giving a few mins for everyone to find us...lol |
| RockL: ok eveyone have pen and paper for notes |
| bestof: ok |
| leslilli: you mean there will be no typing up of the chat and placing them online |
| RockL: welcome GC |
| Gardencricket: Thanks! almost forgot |
| RockL: oh yes HQ does that.. but sometimes people want notes |
| RockL: lol |
| RockL: ok well lets get started. |
| RockL: Thank you all for coming.. It seems once again I am leading this class but I |
| am sure I will learn a lot more from you all.. but lets get started |
| RockL: how many have been doing food storage for a while now |
| Gardencricket: less than 3 months here |
| bestof: about 6 mo for us. |
| RockL: so pretty new to this then? |
| leslilli: we've been trying to get it together for about 3-4 years |
| RockL: wow! nice |
| Gardencricket: finally got hubby on board about needing more than 2 weeks |
| worth around the house |
| RockL: welcome guest 39325 |
| RockL: lol |
| leslilli: i'm not an expert or even fully prepared by any means.....probably just as |
| "new" as every one else |
| bestof: How long for your RL |
| RockL: ok is everyone "using" their food storage every day |
| RockL: 2 years for me |
| RockL: Welcome Jackson |
| Jackson: ooowwww! sorry I'm late! |
| RockL: no biggie |
| Jackson: k, thanks! |
| Gardencricket: using and rotating |
| RockL: I think that is one of the hardest things is using what we buy |
| RockL: yes |
| leslilli: we do it kind like the grocery store old stuff in the front, newer stuff in the |
| back. |
| guest845037: hello,just checking this out. |
| RockL: welcome guest |
| guest845037: thank you |
| bestof: Yes and no. I use cans of veggies, furit and boxes but I have not used |
| out of my pails. |
| leslilli: and we do not stock stuff we don't normally eat. no spam here, eewww. |
| marty: morning |
| RockL: I have one can of Spam and I agree eewwww |
| leslilli: spam = canned meat, not unwanted mail |
| RockL: welcome Marty |
| Jackson: lol, not mail! |
| Gardencricket: no pails here yet, and nothing we wouldn't normally eat, I have |
| hard enough time getting my kids to eat |
| oneyQueen: hey I like spam |
| Gardencricket: me too HQ |
| leslilli: my folks do too. still eewwwww. |
| Gardencricket: lol |
| RockL: that is of course the most important rule.. buy what you eat eat what you |
| store! |
| Jackson: bought can of spam for first time last week! price to good to pass up! |
| leslilli: i guess if i was starving maybe it would be more appetizing |
| Jackson: am betting my taste changes in starvation situation would make it |
| edible? ha! |
| Drisana Merry: good morning family of preppers this is Dris |
| Jackson: trying to think of pets' needs as well, so why not spam? |
| bestof: Hers is my thougt. you pay extra for pails of wheat rice beans, so why |
| use them when you can buy small bags at the local store? |
| Gardencricket: waves hi all |
| RockL: if you don't have your food storage items in your pantry kitchen then you |
| not going to be rotating |
| marty: It is a good idea to get your body use to eating differently in advance |
| RockL: So true Marty! |
| Drisana Merry: please everyone make sure you rotate it is so important not only |
| for waste but for your health ....alot of foods become poisons when they go bad |
| or e coli or or or |
| leslilli: how do you mean eatinbg differently? |
| Jackson: haven't used much yet (except home-canned from last year) because |
| we don't have a great deal stored yet. |
| Gardencricket: my pantry is my laundry room, blessed with a 12 by 15 room, |
| holds my freezer, washer and dryer, and a large shelf unit, need to add to that |
| though |
| Drisana Merry: @Marty we use those all the time now...but you also need to try |
| new foods with the idea of putting them up |
| leslilli: we store wheat berries but they are in our normal diets. |
| RockL: that is great! |
| marty: 8 months |
| Gardencricket: 3 mo's |
| Nancy: Maybe 5 months or so |
| Drisana Merry: everyone keeps telling me they have no room for storage but look |
| at your bedrooms you can put shelving all the way around then hang curtains |
| over it it only needs to be as wide as a can or two.. |
| Drisana Merry: we started back in the sixties |
| leslilli: 3-4 years |
| RockL: ok Dris I think you win! I wasn't even born yet! lol |
| Drisana Merry: yeah I know lol |
| Gardencricket: cleaning out our garage too, paper products can be stored out |
| there |
| Drisana Merry: well my home is smaller than that |
| Drisana Merry: and I make room |
| RockL: ok lets talk storage space another time... |
| Jackson: trying to do that here, too, if I could convince Don to get rid of some |
| stuff! lol |
| RockL: today is rotation.. baby steps |
| RockL: lol |
| Gardencricket: lol |
| Jackson: ok, Rock, we'll behave! |
| RockL: Jackson keep trying! |
| Drisana Merry: but you hve to have space to get your supplies |
| RockL: you do Dris.. |
| Drisana Merry: we have what you call a supply rook aka grocery store then we |
| have the pantry |
| leslilli: we gave up most paper products |
| risana Merry: you use from the pantry then go to storage and move to pantry |
| and then you go shopping and restock storage rotate rotate |
| Gardencricket: what i have found in my freezer scared me, I was given 2 cleaned |
| rabbits, but they got buried and I forgot about them, i did date them.... 5 years |
| ago |
| RockL: yuck! |
| RockL: that is what you don't want. |
| Drisana Merry: cook them up and make dog food |
| RockL: Dris do you have a system you use |
| oneyQueen: Okay, question - for those that have used food grade buckets, do |
| you still use the mylar bags in them? |
| leslilli: you should see all the chicken feet in my freezer, lol. |
| Gardencricket: they were not stored right had to pitch |
| Drisana Merry: animals are used to eating that and also get your pets use to |
| eating raw foods |
| RockL: I do not. but I have link for them. but they are expensive |
| RockL: yes |
| Jackson: what's expensive, the bags? |
| RockL: almost $4. a piece |
| Drisana Merry: have not used the bags yet |
| Gardencricket: haven't found any food grade buckets yet |
| Jackson: geez! that is costly! |
| Jackson: really, GC, just got some from our local grocery a couple of hours ago! |
| Jackson: a couple were small buckets, but appropriate for just 2 people (i think) |
| RockL: the buckets or bags |
| marty: every 6 months, I totally empty my freezer and pull older things out and |
| batch cook. |
| RockL: frosting buckets work great |
| Nancy: We have gotten several food grade buckets from Publix bakery. They |
| just throw them away |
| Jackson: great idea, Marty! |
| Drisana Merry: how long do they last and can you reuse them for the same stuff |
| RockL: Marty what a great idea |
| Gardencricket: cool, great idea marty thanks jackson and rockl |
| RockL: yes you can |
| RockL: they are like ziplock bags only larger and dark |
| Jackson: do you get the bags from LDS canneries? |
| ackson: (silly question: would mylar for other purposes, such as balloons, |
| work?) |
| Drisana Merry: in our small freezer we have plastic tins for the different meats |
| and vegis and when we buy we take out and put new on bottom...now that I |
| have dehydrtor wont have to do so much as veg anf fruits will go that way |
| RockL: ok so Dris you use the food in the pantry, then when out you get more |
| from long term food storage and then go and replace at grocery store.. correct? |
| bestof: i get mine with o2 absorbers on line |
| Jackson: ok, ths BO |
| Jackson: (ummm...thks!) |
| RockL: wow! |
| RockL: I didn't know they had them with o2 in them |
| risana Merry: yes first place new stuff goes is into storage from storage to |
| pantry and pantry to table |
| RockL: how do you keep track of what needs to be replaced |
| Gardencricket: like that Dris! |
| marty: i use the can organizer boxes we posted on the group page, inventory at |
| a glance |
| Drisana Merry: you mark down when the pantry gets down to one or two items |
| then I go into storage and get out and there is a list to mark what we need to |
| get at store |
| Drisana Merry: marty thank you for posting I just ordered some |
| bestof: i keep a list in the storage area. as i bring it out of storage and up to the |
| pantry i add it to the replace list |
| RockL: that is for all the long timers our there |
| HoneyQueen: bestof- can you share your link on the group for your bags with |
| o2? |
| marty: I am working on a use this month cupboard. like dris, bring the items for |
| this months menus to the cupbaord. |
| Drisana Merry: yes you will just start small |
| RockL: YES you will! |
| Jackson: Glad you guys have faith in me! |
| Drisana Merry: you can do it I am the most scatterbrained around and I can do it |
| jsut practice and after thirtydays of doing it it becomes a habit |
| marty: practice makes perfect...lol |
| Drisana Merry: yes I do have faith in you |
| RockL: ok Dris so lets take some questions.. |
| Jackson: Okay, then I'll get things more organized and then try to run an |
| inventory! |
| Gardencricket: in and out right now here, my youngest son is home sick |
| Drisana Merry: the hardest prat is makeing sure all are on board with it ok hugs |
| RockL: what stops you right now from using your food storage |
| RockL: sorry GC |
| Jackson: Yes, hugs to your son, GC |
| paw4him: sorry i'm late |
| RockL: no biggie glad you are here! |
| RockL: I know when I started I felt overwhelmed |
| ackson: Guess I'm trying to juggle too many things to be organized enough to |
| begin using it! |
| marty: my goal is to have a rotating menu that utilizes my food storage. |
| Jackson: Yes, Rock, it is VERY overwhelming to me, esp. since I'm so far behind |
| on other things |
| RockL: good one Marty |
| RockL: Jackson is so easy to feel that way! I know I do |
| Jackson: Am much better at using cannned/frozen than dehydraged/dried foods |
| RockL: baby steps |
| Drisana Merry: ok take a deep breath you are not behind for you ahve started |
| RockL: so start there. |
| RockL: true! |
| marty: ditto Jackson, that the reason I am working on rotating menu |
| bestof: The truth for me is I hate cooking. Hard to get inspired when you do not |
| like somethin. |
| ackson: okay, that makes great sense! |
| RockL: Dris when you started bak in the 60's how did you do it |
| RockL: so true! but starving is worse! |
| Jackson: Guess I've relied too heavily on the fact that we can afford food right |
| now and may not be able to in the future |
| Drisana Merry: we bought case lots and also bought a years supply of |
| commercially survival foods |
| RockL: ok was that worth the expense? did you like it? did you eat it? |
| Drisana Merry: the same as I do now. |
| Drisana Merry: yes and yes |
| Jackson: We don't have that kind of income, Dris, so I've been just accumulating |
| gradually...both for us and our critters. |
| Drisana Merry: neither did we |
| RockL: we as well |
| Jackson: have any of you ever used "Heater Meals" brand? |
| RockL: never heard of j |
| Drisana Merry: we collected cans and bottles and that money was food money |
| RockL: wow that is dedication! |
| marty: shortly after I started canned veggi sale 3/$1. invested $80. |
| Drisana Merry: we bought what we ate and that was it |
| Jackson: hubby drives a semi truck and used to be long-haul. He introduced me |
| to Heater Meals, which is a brand name |
| RockL: some people are going to have the means to do it right away. some |
| people will come up with a way to do it without the means and some are going to |
| hav do it step by step |
| marty: cleaned my pantry that week and used what was in there. plus |
| inventoried the rest |
| Drisana Merry: look for a discount market where you can buy damaged truck |
| lots...ie where trucks have wrecked and they get insurance and sell to a store |
| paw4him: http://www.heatermeals.com/ |
| RockL: how would we find that Dris? |
| RockL: thanks paw |
| Jackson: never thought of that, Dris! and ditto on Rock's ? |
| RockL: becareful with dented cans though |
| RockL: ok so lets get back to rotating |
| Drisana Merry: if you buy dented cans take them home but first make sure its a |
| dent and not cut then wash can in scalding water then open and dehydrate or |
| recan |
| Jackson: I won't even buy dog food in dented cans (an issue with my raising!) |
| RockL: great idea Dris! |
| Drisana Merry: as to rotating its just a matter of thinking |
| RockL: what stops you from rotating now |
| Drisana Merry: you want the oldest in the front so make it easier on yourself |
| RockL: yes Dris for a pro like you! lol |
| Drisana Merry: no no I had to learn meself |
| Jackson: do most of you use those "slides" for cans? |
| RockL: I don't... they have sites where you can make them |
| marty: i think the rotating menu will help me. |
| RockL: but i think that much smarter then I am... Lol |
| Drisana Merry: ya I know but if you look at your shelves and think logically and do |
| not think its not doable |
| RockL: Marty that is great idea.. |
| Drisana Merry: start small and work up |
| RockL: good point! |
| paw4him: http://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Rotating-Canned-Food-Shelf |
| Jackson: thx, paw! |
| RockL: do you any of you use TVP, or your dehydrated items now |
| RockL: thanks paw! |
| RockL: can you come and build one for me! lol |
| marty: i use some of my dehydrated items |
| RockL: are they in the place where you cook? |
| marty: dehydrated veggies regularly now. |
| paw4him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCnXfO7YMfk |
| paw4him: I really like this second one. |
| leslilli: yes!! i use them as often as i can. |
| Nancy: I LOVE my dehydrated mixed veggies, when I want chicken soup I just |
| open a box of stock (or now I can open a jar, I canned some!) and throw in a |
| handful of mixed veggies and a handful of pasta and let it simmer. Yum! |
| RockL: that is great! |
| RockL: that is how we rotate.. it has to be right at hand |
| marty: right nancy me too |
| RockL: great job Nancy! |
| Drisana Merry: Noel has a link on his site to the can holder rotaters and he gets |
| credit |
| Jackson: good job, Nancy! |
| RockL: can you send us that link Dris |
| Drisana Merry: brb |
| Jackson: (who's Noel?" |
| paw4him: I like Noels too. Just short on funds right now. |
| leslilli: it's awesome to take the dehydrated veggies with pasta and spices put |
| them in a thermal mug with hot water in the morning.....then go out for the day |
| (bring it with you of course) and you have nice hot soup at lunchtime. |
| paw4him: I have a ton of spare wood laying around, so building one would be a |
| better option for me. |
| marty: i keep dehydrated peppers, onions and mushrooms handy. use them |
| several times a week. |
| RockL: les that sounds wonderful! |
| Nancy: I need help with freezer things - there are things in there that i don't even |
| know what they are. Anyone have a good system for organizing freezer items? |
| marty: they are great in omelets, soup, casseroles |
| Drisana Merry: http://survivalgear.web.officelive.com/default.aspx |
| leslilli: having 3 boys, we are always outside. it is something we can take along |
| with us |
| leslilli: having 3 boys, we are always outside. it is something we can take along |
| with us |
| paw4him: I put masking take on the package and label and date it with permanent |
| marker |
| RockL: throw out what isn't useable anymore and use totes |
| leslilli: i need help in freezer organization too. my chest freezer is a mess |
| paw4him: I put masking take on the package and label and date it with permanent |
| marker |
| RockL: throw out what isn't useable anymore and use totes |
| Drisana Merry: look under new item alert click on pic and go I just ordered two of |
| each and with shipping was under one hundred |
| marty: i have 2 small freezers an upright and a chest. |
| Jackson: Nancy, if you have pets, use ufo's (unidentified frozen objects) to make |
| them some food to clean out |
| RockL: I used the shoe totes. I can easily put what is new in the back |
| Nancy: I guess that is what I'm going to have to do. I'm trying to get away from |
| the freezer, so maybe when I start over there will be a lot fewer things in there. |
| RockL: good thought J where were you when I needed that tip. |
| marty: use the chest for dinner type foods |
| Jackson: As you put new items in, mark month/year and what with indelible |
| marker |
| Drisana Merry: you know what you think isnt usabel can be cooked up and then |
| repurposed |
| ackson: lol, Rock! |
| RockL: dehydrate what you can.. if you can. can and then store what you need |
| to |
| marty: upright for breakfast and desserts |
| Nancy: great idea on the pet food, I have 2 dogs that would be happy to have |
| that meat! |
| Jackson: yup |
| bestof: Sorry I have to leave early, thanks everyone. |
| marty: date everything! |
| eslilli: do you all prepare meals to freeze? have dinners on hand. i always wanted |
| to do that |
| ockL: if you use the different size totes you can see things a little better and |
| rotate easier.. and yes I love totes! |
| Jackson: just be sure it isn't food that's been seasoned for human tastes, or it |
| can cause illnesses in your dogs |
| RockL: bye Bo! |
| Drisana Merry: your dogs and cats were not ment to eat what is in dog/cat food |
| Jackson: by Best! |
| Jackson: true, Dris, but high fat and/or sodium can cause issues as well |
| Drisana Merry: be safe and have a great day |
| Nancy: I'm thinking that too - and they hate the stuff, they like my food a whole |
| lot better. I make almost everything from scratch |
| marty: leslie, batch cook, divide into one meal portions date and freeze |
| RockL: yes I do sometimes |
| Jackson: geez, can't type today! Meant: "bye" |
| RockL: make meals for a month |
| Jackson: good for you, Nancy! |
| Drisana Merry: no what I was talking about was the meat you cannot eat they |
| can if you start nwo introducig and takin away the commercia |
| Drisana Merry: wtg nancy |
| marty: there is a book called a month of meals. |
| leslilli: i'll check out the book marty thanks |
| marty: it gives you the shopping list and a how to batch cook a month of meals in |
| a day |
| ackson: the way we eat around here, Marty, I'd have to get MUCH bigger pots! |
| lol! |
| Drisana Merry: ok here is an idea for you all on rotation |
| RockL: Nancy that is great! |
| Drisana Merry: pick a shelf |
| Drisana Merry: then put your goods on it and then take another shelf and that |
| will be your storage |
| Drisana Merry: practice taking out of the one shelf then replaceing from storage |
| and then replenishing the storage |
| marty: right Dris, it works |
| Drisana Merry: after a few you can enlarge it then keep on and keep adding mroe |
| spce |
| Jackson: good plan, Dris! |
| leslilli: like" grocery shopping" your stored food. |
| Drisana Merry: starting small wont overwhelm you and its really makes it easy and |
| you will wonder why you waitned |
| Drisana Merry: yeppers thats it in a few bytes |
| RockL: that is great |
| Drisana Merry: once we get moved we will do the walls around the room with |
| curtains hanging over and labls etc |
| Drisana Merry: ok Jackson what do you do when you go grocery shopping |
| Drisana Merry: you buy cans of say applesauce |
| leslilli: simple when you get your routine set. the hardest part is making this the |
| norm, breaking out of your old habits |
| RockL: it is just takes practice |
| Drisana Merry: now you come home and you put them on your storage shelf and |
| take the same amount out to your pantry |
| Jackson: okay, makes sense! |
| Drisana Merry: see |
| Jackson: gottcha! |
| Drisana Merry: lol sorry I speak blonde/grey |
| marty: it works Jackson and after a bit of practice, it becomes your norm. |
| leslilli: me tooo!!! |
| Jackson: guess I'll begin this week after I've been grocery shopping |
| RockL: have it at hand... just like your spices.. you use them when you can just |
| grab them... |
| Drisana Merry: also dont buy spices in bulk buy what you will use as unless you |
| use them everyday they will go stale |
| Jackson: ok |
| Jackson: yup, knew about spices going stale |
| RockL: i go through spices like crazy! lol |
| RockL: is there a way to prevent that? |
| Drisana Merry: spices need to be kept in the dark not out in open unless you ahve |
| them in dark containers |
| RockL: same if you dehydrate them |
| Jackson: wish I had better recipes for cooking with diff spices (just an |
| old-fashioned country cook here!) |
| leslilli: i go through the herbs like mad.....(did you include those with the spices??) |
| but i do grow many of my own |
| RockL: lol |
| marty: keep spices in a dark/dry place |
| RockL: ok so before class ends... let take some questions |
| Drisana Merry: those are the best |
| RockL: ANYBODY have a question? |
| leslilli: we uyse them in more than cooking too |
| Drisana Merry: I am sorry Ijust want to help so much my fingers jsut keep going |
| RockL: what about it? |
| leslilli: wouldn't that be handy! |
| RockL: i don't think so but I don't know... anyone? |
| Drisana Merry: shouldnt mylar be mylar |
| marty: cant think why not.. |
| leslilli: mylar balloons are $1 at the dollar store |
| Jackson: well, that's too bad |
| RockL: HQ can you find an answer on that one? |
| Jackson: you're right on my wave length, Les, precisely what I was thinking! |
| Drisana Merry: hmmm why not try them out and ok let me see if ours have them |
| and will give hem a try |
| Jackson: will do! |
| marty: question? oxygen absorbers, how much do you need |
| eslilli: read this on another forum " Mylar ballons are not thick enough to protect |
| the food for long term storage. Not to mention that ballons are not made out of |
| food grade products. " |
| Jackson: well, crap! |
| marty: thanks les. |
| Drisana Merry: ok darn it all |
| Jackson: yes, ty, Les |
| RockL: all the mylar is being used for is to keep out the light right? |
| RockL: DARN! I was getting excited |
| leslilli: i have no idea.....don't use them. |
| RockL: Marty for what? |
| Drisana Merry: that is what I thought and so why not use baggies and then put |
| them into the ballon inide another balloon |
| eslilli: they also said something about the balloons being hard to |
| seal....somebody out there is using them |
| Jackson: Dris, you're following my thoughts also! Baggies + mylar might work! |
| marty: for anything, If i am bagging up 5lps of something how much oxygen |
| absorber do i need? |
| RockL: I usally throw in about 4 |
| Jackson: what size, Rock? |
| HoneyQueen: Sorry, wat behind on the trans - I tihnk the lylar for ballons is not |
| foodgrade. |
| leslilli: haven't used those either |
| RockL: for big buckets an 1 for jars |
| Drisana Merry: marty what was the amount you posted cannot read it |
| marty: oops lbs |
| Drisana Merry: ok thanks |
| RockL: anyone do it different? |
| Drisana Merry: yes we know not food grade but if you ahve bags of items then |
| you could put them into the balloons and use |
| RockL: so happy to see you here! |
| Drisana Merry: thanks for such a wonderful class and will try and not talk so much |
| marty: hiya robt |
| leslilli: i've used the food sealer (vacuum) bags. we go through the stock fast |
| enough that i can't tell you how they work over the long haul |
| RockL: Dris you were wonderful! |
| Drisana Merry: may I say one thing to the class |
| RockL: ok Marty did you get your ? answered? |
| marty: yes i did |
| RockL: great! |
| RockL: Fire away Dris! |
| Robt: Sorry, Rock. wasn't paying attention. I'm still asleep. Hi everyone! |
| Jackson: wonderful class, folks!! |
| Drisana Merry: ok start now writing things down printing things out for you never |
| know when something will happen and you will loose what you know... |
| RockL: so true! |
| marty: amen dris |
| leslilli: exactly!! good advise |
| Drisana Merry: you need to keep records and save it |
| Drisana Merry: also your children can use it later on |
| Gardencricket: back, excelent point Dris |
| Drisana Merry: lyme will take things away from you as will strokes |
| leslilli: and if some folks are near you and like minded get their info. |
| RockL: lol |
| Drisana Merry: and strokes are not an old folks ony thing |
| RockL: good point Dris! |
| Drisana Merry: yes go to senior centers and pick their brains we had some |
| sutdents come and they loved it and so did we |
| Jackson: wonderful idea, Dris! |
| Drisana Merry: the olde knowldge was going away |
| leslilli: i have a set of foxfire books. love reading through those |
| Drisana Merry: well make your own |
| Jackson: foxfire books here, too, just no time to read them! lol |
| Drisana Merry: do your own |
| RockL: Well all I just want you to know how much we appreciate your support and |
| coming and sharing your ideas. We are so grateful for each and everyone of |
| you! |
| Drisana Merry: I have a book from when my fourteen year old grandpa was in |
| siberia |
| marty: i have made several binders on different subjects |
| RockL: nice! |
| Drisana Merry: if it works for you then write it down... |
| Gardencricket: that is what I am working on now Marty |
| marty: I would encourage each of you to make rotating menu |
| leslilli: besides food is anybody storing anything else? soap things of that nature |
| Jackson: It's been great, people, but got 2 gal's of strawberries to process! |
| Happy day to all!!! |
| RockL: oh yes! |
| marty: I have a hygiene storage |
| RockL: me too |
| Gardencricket: tc Jackson |
| Drisana Merry: especially when we can get it almsot free or free |
| marty: bye jackson |
| Drisana Merry: be blessed |
| Jackson: bye! catch you next week! |
| leslilli: anybody make their own stuff? (cleaning etc.?) |
| RockL: yes |
| leslilli: we make most of our own here. |
| ardencricket: i am storing the ingredients to make laundry soap ( i make it now |
| and use it ) want to store enough now to not worry about it for a LONG time |
| Drisana Merry: use vinegar ho****er here |
| marty: yes several bars of fels naptha..lol |
| RockL: it is so nice to discuss this stuff and not have people look at you like you |
| lost your mind! |
| leslilli: i make my own soap, so storing those supplies |
| Nancy: I know! I don't have anyone here locally to talk to except my one |
| Mormon friend. It's great!! |
| RockL: marty maybe you could give us a class on that! |
| marty: lol I used the mountain rose utube video |
| Nancy: Yes Marty, a class!! |
| eslilli: i've use a couple of sources for slaves and ointments, but i am into |
| herbalism |
| RockL: seriously! that would be wonderful! |
| marty: they have like 22 videos or something on different things |
| RockL: with Les! |
| marty: i made the lip balm too and it is great |
| RockL: you guys could put a class of basics together ! |
| leslilli: i LOVE homemade lip balm |
| Drisana Merry: sure would hmmm do you think there would be a way to print out |
| this class |
| Drisana Merry: or is it lost |
| marty: give me a chance to get my life back to a pattern then i will be happy to |
| eslilli: do you have a place where folks could show off their highly organized |
| storage areas? maybe to inspire those of us still starting |
| marty: we should have a photo gallery |
| Drisana Merry: I want to do a video but do nto have access yet to do that but will |
| leslilli: i think you can copy and paste the chat. i'll give it a try |
| Drisana Merry: tu |
| RockL: Dris it will be on the site |
| RockL: we always transcribe them |
| Drisana Merry: kewl thank you so much for all you do |
| RockL: HQ makes it happen! |
| RockL: we are thrilled to have such a wonderful preparedness family! lol |
Cooking with Wheat
Tuesday April 26, 2011 at 10am CST
Here are the links referenced for the class
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http://www.sproutpeople.com/seed/print/wheatgrass.html Here is the transcript from the class
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Tuesday April 19, 2011 - Preparedness 101
We had a great class turnout for our first class and hope to have more in the future classes!
Here is the transcript from the class and we will be posting the links and the documents referenced as well.
| Sunflower | Good morning everyone how is everyone this morning |
| RockL | Good morning |
| Sunflower | hey there Rock! |
| Sunflower | good morning catalck |
| Sunflower | good morning Farmer |
| catalack | Good Morning! |
| Sunflower | Ok let me introduce myself…. |
| Farmerswife | Good Moring! |
| Sunflower | I love being a part of preparedness and sharing with all of you |
| Sunflower | welcome guest17584 |
| Sunflower | I am looking forward to these classes |
| Sunflower | and the knowledge that we can gain from one another |
| bestof | Good morning all |
| Sunflower | good morning bestof |
| Sunflower | and guest42606 |
| bestof | This is my first ever chat. |
| Sunflower | take a chair and make yourself at home |
| RockL | :) |
| Sunflower | lol you are going to do great |
| catalack | mine too bestof |
| Dixie Mom | Good Morning |
| bestof | Glad I am not alone as a first timer, |
| Dixie Mom | You're not = lol |
| Sunflower | Let me introduce you to my administrators who are also going to help |
| Sunflower | they are RockL and Farmerswife |
| RockL | Hi all… |
| Farmerswife | Hello! |
| Dixie Mom | Hi |
| Sunflower | I love the both very much and they will add so much |
| catalack | Hi |
| Sunflower | Hello Dixie mom |
| RockL | :) |
| catalack | lol |
| Dixie Mom | Good morning.. |
| Sunflower | So is everyone ready to learn this morning |
| RockL | ready! |
| Dixie Mom | you bet,, |
| bestof | ditto |
| catalack | bring it on :) |
| Sunflower | I am going to post a questionaire for you to print out |
| Farmerswife | :) |
| Sunflower | |
| Sunflower | we will go from there |
| Sunflower | how many of you here today are into preparedness |
| RockL | I AM! |
| Dixie Mom | I am |
| bestof | so do I open that page and print it out? |
| Farmerswife | here here |
| Sunflower | just starting, have been doing it along time |
| Sunflower | excuse my spelling slips |
| Farmerswife | it is also in the tab to the left titled Events and Classes |
| Farmerswife | you can print it from there too |
| RockL | we can help anyone after class if you can't get it right now |
| Sunflower | I will give you each a moment to print |
| Dixie Mom | I can't print from this computer so I'll print it out later if that’s all right |
| Sunflower | that is fine dixie |
| Sunflower | how many of us have functioning food storage? |
| bestof | got it |
| RockL | I do |
| bestof | I do |
| Farmerswife | I do |
| Dixie Mom | I have storage but want to get it better organized |
| Sunflower | who wants to share what made it functioning for you, please share |
| RockL | now Sun? |
| bestof | having is organized, that way I can "shop" |
| catalack | I do |
| Sunflower | great best of |
| RockL | using it now.. Having some in my kitchen at all times |
| Sunflower | mine is functioning because we have a well rounded food storage |
| RockL | that way I rotate it |
| catalack | I rotate too |
| Sunflower | we have long term |
| Sunflower | short term |
| Sunflower | food we eat now |
| catalack | working on long term |
| RockL | welcome Lietta |
| Sunflower | great catalack |
| Sunflower | it is so important that if something happens |
| Sunflower | that we can shut our doors and be ok |
| Sunflower | for an extended amount of time |
| Sunflower | are you able to do that almost/ |
| bestof | I tend to use my canned things, but I do not use the long term stuff |
| Sunflower | I don't use my longterm items either… |
| RockL | Welcome guest! |
| Dixie Mom | Neither do I |
| RockL | I use both so I can rotate it |
| catalack | me too Rock |
| Sunflower | we have had wheat stored for over 30 years and it is still fine |
| Dixie Mom | I have also |
| RockL | welcome guest |
| Laurie | I think I am the guest how do I make me a non guest - thanks - Laurie |
| Laurie | OK That answered my question! |
| RockL | Click on you and edit name |
| Lietta | As a matter of course, because we live rural and no store close by, we do stock food items for duration of up to a year. But it is not the same thing as food |
| Laurie | Thanks! |
| Sunflower | one thing I highly recommend is getting use to eating long term storage |
| Sunflower | for our bodies are not use to it |
| Sunflower | wheat, beans, legumes |
| Sunflower | work them intoyour families diet |
| Sunflower | so that they become acustomed to eating those foods |
| bestof | It was expensive to buy things in #10 cans, I hate to use them |
| Farmerswife | I am with you Lietta, We don't have buckets of things. Just lots of food we eat regularly |
| Sunflower | there is such a thing as appetite fatigue |
| catalack | Me too FW Nothing we don't already consume |
| Sunflower | especially with children |
| Sunflower | do you know what that is? |
| RockL | if we don't eat it now, I don't buy it. |
| Dixie Mom | I'm still trying to re-adjust my storage as my son, who is autisic, also has food allergies, wheat, beans |
| RockL | Welcome guest |
| Farmerswife | oh Dixie, that is difficult and much more expensive |
| Lietta | special diets, and then how to putting food by to accommodate special diets |
| Sunflower | ok |
| Dixie Mom | for sure… and trying to figure out a balance menu is hard |
| Sunflower | it is good that you will have time to figure things like this out |
| Sunflower | What questions do you have |
| Lietta | and here we are at the place where one size does not fit all :) |
| Laurie | What do you do with wheat other than make bread? |
| RockL | should we go over the rules sun? |
| Farmerswife | does anyone have a chart or link for calcuating nutrition based on what is in your storage? |
| RockL | welcome guest |
| Long-Time Prepper | 3 really simple guidelines: (1) store what you eat (2) eat what you store (3) |
| RockL | :) |
| Farmerswife | :) |
| catalack | good advice |
| Dixie Mom | very little bread…some multigrain works but really have to watch |
| Dixie Mom | so true long-time |
| Farmerswife | have you looked into oat flour or rice flour? |
| Sunflower | Laurie you can make many things with wheat |
| Lietta | gotcha rules that make sense… I like it |
| RockL | good one LTP! |
| Lietta | It is extremely moist (county with the most rain in the entire state, Washington) where I live. Problem for me in considering storage is how to do it. |
| Sunflower | I have made waldorf apple salad using wheat buds |
| Sunflower | so many things |
| RockL | I use canning jars and 5 gal tubs in my pantry |
| Sunflower | also there is a book that you can purchase from amazon |
| Sunflower | hold on I will find it |
| Farmerswife | also called wheat berries in some areas |
| RockL | love them as popcorn! |
| Laurie | Thanks - being new to this - I don't even know what a wheat bud is - lol |
| bestof | either do I |
| RockL | very easy |
| Farmerswife | it is just the wheat as a grain |
| RockL | soak the wheat for about 30 minutes in water |
| RockL | let sit out for about 10 minutes on a paper towel |
| RockL | then cook in hot oil on stove top till turn a nice golden brown |
| Farmerswife | can this be done with oats for people with a gluten free diet? |
| RockL | then add you favorite topping, salt, cinnamon and sugar, cheese |
| Sunflower | looking for the perfect book on wheat, still hold on |
| RockL | would you like me to start my part of the class while you look |
| Sunflower | you can also put in a glass thermos overnight with hot water and you'll have cereal in the morning. |
| Sunflower | yes Rock go ahead please |
| RockL | and if you can stomach the water it is really good for you! Lol |
| RockL | Hi guys so glad toy can be here |
| Laurie | Thanks for doing this |
| RockL | Ok the thing I am going to share today is the Top 10 Things to Think about with Preparedness |
| RockL | I will give you a second to get paper and a pen if you want to |
| bestof | ready! |
| Laurie | ready! |
| Farmerswife | we will also post all this information and a transcript for this class on fb and the site |
| catalack | ok |
| RockL | :) |
| Dixie Mom | ready! |
| RockL | welcome guest |
| Laurie | thanks |
| RockL | ok here we go |
| RockL | first on you preparedness list has to be Spiritual |
| RockL | these are your core values |
| RockL | what makes you who you are… |
| RockL | these will be what guides you during a crisis |
| RockL | 2. is Mental |
| RockL | you have to start preparing yourself now… |
| RockL | figure it now and you will already have the answer when it happens |
| Long-Time Prepper | Actually, Spiritual and mental are the same category |
| RockL | not really |
| RockL | mental is can I cut my leg off if I need to |
| Long-Time Prepper | spiritual also should include education about preparedness |
| RockL | can I kill this animal that I have loved and raised to feed my family |
| RockL | so trueltp |
| RockL | 3. Physical |
| RockL | I am in shape to do what I need to do? |
| Long-Time Prepper | all your philosophical stuff is your spiritual make-up |
| RockL | What do I need to NOW to get me there? |
| RockL | True! |
| RockL | 4. Medical… what special needs in myself, family |
| Long-Time Prepper | Spiritual considerations include: faith, hope, charity, education, knowledge, making choices, having courage, to do what you decided |
| RockL | what do I know how to do.. What medical suppplies do I need? |
| RockL | Am I going to fast? |
| Lietta | no |
| Dixie Mom | no |
| Farmerswife | no |
| bestof | no |
| catalack | no |
| RockL | 5. Clothing |
| RockL | you need to keep warm! One of the quickest ways to die to be cold |
| Long-Time Prepper | Spiritual is required - it is the driver/motivator whick keeps you going |
| Paw4him | Hey LTP. Let's get the list first and then discuss it. :) |
| catalack | please LTP |
| bestof | agree |
| RockL | 6. Fuel |
| RockL | What do I have.. How long will it last. How do I use it |
| RockL | welcome guest |
| Farmerswife | we can have a detailed discussion of each topic in a later classes if you wish |
| RockL | what will I do if the heat goes out? How will I cook if I have no stove that works |
| RockL | 7. WATER!!! |
| RockL | You must have water.. What are the ways I can have water.. How much do I have.. How much is enough.. If you have livestock how are you going to get them water |
| RockL | 8. Food! |
| RockL | No one wants to go hungry! So ho much.. How do I use it.. How do I introduce it now? Get my kids to eat it :) |
| RockL | How do I store it. If I don't have much room where do I store it. |
| RockL | 9. Financial |
| RockL | What do I have that is mine! Not the banks! What can I live without? What is necessary? Do I have silver or gold to trade and barter with… Livestock |
| RockL | 10. Communication |
| Long-Time Prepper | OK - My priorities 1-Spiritual 2 Shelter 3 Health Medical 4 phsical well being 5 water 6 food 7 provisions 8 9 10 security |
| RockL | How do I communicate with family and friends.. How do I find ways to barter |
| RockL | all these are the top 1- things we need to start with… |
| RockL | OK guys lets start the discussion and questions. |
| Farmerswife | that is a good point ltp - each one of us will prioritize this list differently based on their current situation and their prospective future situation |
| RockL | LTP good list.. Really the same! |
| Long-Time Prepper | I don't think so! |
| Laurie | the money situation is what has me flustered. I figure it will be no good |
| RockL | put them in the order you need, but one is still most important |
| Long-Time Prepper | Food may become the new currency |
| Dixie Mom | agreed |
| RockL | Laurie you are right |
| bestof | I have no idea what to plan for communication if there are no phones |
| Farmerswife | transfer as much as possible to tangible goods |
| RockL | so what can you use instead of money? |
| RockL | ok lets start with one subject |
| Farmerswife | food, metals, livestock, etc |
| Long-Time Prepper | everybody eats… |
| RockL | financial |
| RockL | right! |
| RockL | and lets not forget skills! |
| RockL | they are a form of batering NO ONE can take away |
| RockL | can you sew? |
| Laurie | skills come with having enough supplies for the demand |
| RockL | can you garden and harvest seed |
| Lietta | Food okay, so here is my slight new concern..living on the west coast Pacific ocean and the recent meltdown of 4 nuclear operations in Japan is there a reason for concern |
| Farmerswife | radiation is a concern for everyone everywhere |
| RockL | really good question but honestly I don't know??? Anyone |
| Sunflower | I believe it is Lietta |
| Sunflower | of course it travels with the rain |
| Sunflower | the air |
| Sunflower | the ocean |
| RockL | I think that is why it is so important to know how to shelter in! |
| Farmerswife | fish ahd seafood is contaminated for sure |
| RockL | and be prepared to do so |
| Sunflower | however I do not know how much we have I have heard different reports from different states |
| Lietta | I believe it well may be a concern. Not to go all conspiracy theory on people, but if growing food is a problem because of raidiation then I've got a |
| Sunflower | you must always think outside the box |
| RockL | this is why you store in now. Can… dehydrate… grow and put it away and be rteady to improvise |
| Farmerswife | grow lights in you basement |
| Sunflower | I do not believe everything I read my the news media |
| Sunflower | good point farmer |
| RockL | :) |
| Sunflower | together we will learn these things |
| Farmerswife | greenhouses |
| Lietta | I get it that food I can store now might be safe, but for future endeavors, |
| RockL | remember preparedness can be VERY overwhelming! |
| Sunflower | yes you should |
| RockL | that is why we are here together to learn and share |
| Dixie Mom | How long will seeds store for? |
| RockL | yes! |
| Farmerswife | soil water can all be contaminated. |
| RockL | depends on the seeds |
| RockL | Heirloom about 10 years |
| RockL | if stored properly |
| Farmerswife | seeds can be stored for a long time generally, you simply lose germination rates |
| Farmerswife | store in a cool and dark place is possible the freezer is best |
| Dixie Mom | How do you store seed? |
| Farmerswife | at least cool and dark |
| Lietta | ahh, heirloom. That would be the way to go. More so since Monstanto is the corner on the market |
| Farmerswife | and organic if possible |
| RockL | ok what from the list do you want classes on… experts if we can get them |
| Sunflower | on wheat |
| Lietta | who can put me in touch with heirloom seed exchange..well wait I have no heirlooms |
| Farmerswife | I have a whole list that came to mind outside of the top ten you have |
| catalack | I always stored mine in a can, use the oldest first. Save seed from the garden |
| RockL | welcome guest |
| Dixie Mom | food - where to store? I live in the desert, rather small home, no land |
| Sunflower | hold on lietta |
| RockL | ok Dixie |
| Sunflower | lets answer her question |
| Sunflower | seedsaver.com |
| Sunflower | is where I get mine Lietta |
| Farmerswife | burpeeseeds is a good place to buy heirlooms too |
| RockL | yeah that is where I get mine |
| RockL | does everyone know how to collect seeds |
| Dixie Mom | also fuel… |
| Lietta | okay got it thanks! Writing these to my notebook |
| Farmerswife | seed saving would be a great topic! |
| Sunflower | dixie.. If I had to I would see my furniture to store my food. |
| catalack | yes |
| RockL | ok dixie |
| Sunflower | store under beds |
| Dixie Mom | lol- done that sunflower but my home is only so big |
| Sunflower | just anywhere |
| RockL | there are lots of ways to store food and make it look like furniture |
| Sunflower | yes rock |
| Farmerswife | in dressers, closets, make a coffee table and end tables out of storage |
| Dixie Mom | I should take pictures and let you see..lol |
| RockL | 5 gal buckets can make great end tables with a table cloth over them lol |
| RockL | you can store under your couch or behind it. |
| RockL | get rid of some stuff that just takes up room in your closets |
| catalack | I have to go, hope to see the transcript. This has been good |
| Farmerswife | would the burried root cellars work in the desert too? |
| Dixie Mom | great ideas everyone - thanks! Already accomplished most of these. |
| bestof | I would still like some suggestions on communication if we have no cell or land lines |
| Laurie | possibly but I don't think any of us have them here |
| Dixie Mom | we're not allowed to have root cellars in our community |
| Farmerswife | ok |
| RockL | We are so happy! Please send suggestions of what you want and know how to do it. |
| RockL | We need a class on root cellars |
| Sunflower | would you like the links on wheat now? |
| Farmerswife | communications can be anything from HAM radios to walkies talkies. |
| Dixie Mom | this has been great and so appreciate all the responses and ideas/ |
| Farmerswife | thank you! |
| Sunflower | yes that will be great be sure to come back and print.. Thanks |
| Sunflower | any questions |
| Lietta | the class is over already? |
| RockL | not for a few minutes do we need to make them longer |
| Sunflower | no we do not need to be over |
| Laurie | How many of you have ham radios - don’t you have to have a special license |
| bestof | good question |
| Sunflower | lietta what is on your mind? |
| Farmerswife | Don't have one. Yes you do need it registered with the authorities. |
| Sunflower | our site is not finished yet ,we have a lot of work and things to add yet |
| Laurie | Hum - so other options of communications would be best for the average |
| RockL | :) |
| RockL | I thought about cb's again |
| Farmerswife | how far do you need to contact? |
| Lietta | we had the storm in 2007 which shut down communication inside and outside the county |
| Farmerswife | CB would probably be the next best option |
| Laurie | I bet you are right |
| RockL | and don't forget to start with the questionaire it will help give you a guide |
| Lietta | no communication, no landline, no cell, no means whatever to |
| Sunflower | ltp I agree with you on food |
| Sunflower | it will be the most valuable imo than silver and gold |
| Farmerswife | whatever the communication, remember to never disclose names addresses etc |
| Lietta | so that older standby technology was pretty much all we had |
| RockL | agreed LTP and Sun |
| Farmerswife | I saw in a catalog the old phones from WW2 that could travel miles |
| Sunflower | invest in commodities |
| RockL | but you also can't pay your mortgage with food and you can with silver |
| Lietta | CB, and whatever the fishing boats, coast guard and cargo ships use |
| RockL | cetain states are already taking it |
| Farmerswife | phyical commodities, not paper anything |
| Sunflower | the great depression however they made it illegal to own gold |
| Sunflower | they confiscated it |
| Farmerswife | some of the silvers and unable to be confiscated due to some law |
| RockL | silver is what we do - easier to trade |
| Laurie | Wow - I didn't know that - how did they get away with that! |
| Farmerswife | not that it can't be changed |
| RockL | that is why we buy at a coin shop |
| RockL | no record |
| Sunflower | they made it illegal to own so you could not trade it in |
| Sunflower | they put people in jail for owning gold |
| Sunflower | so it was worthless |
| RockL | silver has gone from 18 last year to 43 today |
| Farmerswife | also threw a man in jail for growing too much wheat |
| Lietta | question… |
| RockL | but like everything you have to have balance |
| Farmerswife | Yes! |
| RockL | food with fuel in good for long |
| Sunflower | ok lietta |
| RockL | water without shelter is no good for long |
| RockL | balance! |
| Lietta | how do you deal with the problem that in extreme emergencies or catastrophes that generally people know the LDS are known to survialist type |
| Farmerswife | I never go and buy one thing, but use that money across all categories |
| Sunflower | we must look at what can and mostly will happen |
| RockL | protection |
| Farmerswife | and lots of it. |
| Sunflower | only about 10% of members are prepared Lietta |
| RockL | and sharing what you know so you can help prepare others |
| Farmerswife | as a household and a community. |
| RockL | if that many!! |
| Sunflower | I live in a lds community and not many are prepared. |
| Farmerswife | that really surprises me. |
| Laurie | I think anyone would be a target if something drastic happened. |
| Sunflower | this is my feeling if you |
| Sunflower | are doing what the Lord wants you to do |
| RockL | I think to answer you question also Lietta is to have like minded people together |
| Farmerswife | anyone that looks remotely like they have something that someone else wants or needs will be a target |
| Sunflower | with his guidance He will protect you |
| Sunflower | I do not know how |
| Sunflower | but he will |
| Farmerswife | with the entitlement society we have a lot of people will coming and looking for people to share and will go to great lengths to take |
| RockL | Sun couldn't agree more. I am doing what I should. I could die |
| RockL | I did what he asked me to do |
| Farmerswife | and it is there for your children |
| Sunflower | Exactly Rock |
| RockL | yes! |
| Sunflower | and it is amazing how He will lead you too things |
| Lietta | thank you ladies, appreciating you thoughts |
| Sunflower | to help you prepare |
| Farmerswife | glad that you joined us! |
| Sunflower | yw lietta… next |
| RockL | ok give us some feedback really quick |
| Sunflower | week same time |
| Farmerswife | works for me |
| RockL | what did you like, dislike how can we make it better, if you don't want to say here please message us |
| Lietta | classes to be weekly, Tuesday at 8am then? |
| Laurie | thanks learned some - next week would be great |
